tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post3949785212788808047..comments2023-11-03T07:31:49.573-04:00Comments on Liberal Citizen: Insular Beliefs Wrapped in Religion Must be Re-examined. And, a Few Thoughts on the Message of Easter.Georgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09253150846911854844noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-5931005474962622572009-04-12T13:56:00.000-04:002009-04-12T13:56:00.000-04:00I had a problem with the question, why God talks o...I had a problem with the question, why God talks only to a few special people.... Then, I thought, why does he tell them different things depending on location? All of them are convinced they have the real message, and the final at that.<BR/><BR/>So, how do we know who's right?bretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-57360487792200361932009-04-11T23:22:00.000-04:002009-04-11T23:22:00.000-04:00David Hume: If god is willing and able, why does e...David Hume: If god is willing and able, why does evil exist? If god is able but not willing, then he's malevolent. If he's willing but unable, then he's no god.<BR/><BR/>Of course, there's free will, in the sense that humans act, but then why bother praying? Does god intervene or not? If he does, then just look around...<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, god gets all the credit for good outcomes, but none of the blame. ha!epicurusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-78096655688664266592009-04-11T23:16:00.000-04:002009-04-11T23:16:00.000-04:00This country isn't Christian by design of the foun...This country isn't Christian by design of the founders and the framers of the constitution.<BR/><BR/>The US has a majority of xtians, but did you notice those who don't believe in god doubled in size, from 8% a few years ago, to 16% today! And, I'm sure many more just have a nominal religious affiliation.andersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-16398219201233904322009-04-11T23:14:00.000-04:002009-04-11T23:14:00.000-04:00Of course the Bible has many simplicities and alle...Of course the Bible has many simplicities and allegories because it had to reach common, mostly uneducated people.<BR/><BR/>Obama was wrong to say that this country is not a Christian country. 90% are so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-83614984491963150232009-04-11T22:25:00.000-04:002009-04-11T22:25:00.000-04:00God is not responsible for what stupid humans do. ...God is not responsible for what stupid humans do. Yes, I know he created humans but have you heard of free will?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-37937919260974985812009-04-11T17:02:00.000-04:002009-04-11T17:02:00.000-04:00Just an example:Christmas traditions.... Seriously...Just an example:<BR/><BR/>Christmas traditions.... Seriously, how many people today really know the true story of xmas?...Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09253150846911854844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-10668879922516648332009-04-11T17:00:00.000-04:002009-04-11T17:00:00.000-04:00I'm not claiming to be an expert theologian... and...I'm not claiming to be an expert theologian... and, I hope you don't mean to imply that unless someone is an expert tailor, highly trained in the art of stitching of the most etherial fabrics, then cannot call the king naked!<BR/><BR/>Tell me where I made a mistake, and I'll correct it. Did I make any claims or asked unreasonable questions about the Bible, religion, etc?<BR/><BR/>My greater point in this post was to question the conventional wisdom, whereas people keep doing something because it's tradition without even realizing what they're doing.... <BR/><BR/>Human history is full of such practices, that no one even remembers why they're so, but they endured of thousands of years...Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09253150846911854844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-65020034375722871442009-04-11T16:48:00.000-04:002009-04-11T16:48:00.000-04:00wait a sec, we base many of our politics on what r...wait a sec, we base many of our politics on what religious people want! it's the greatest scam, to sell a product making extraordinary claims without providing any evidence... it'd land others in jail for fraud....<BR/><BR/>and, the organized religion doesn't have to pay taxes...<BR/><BR/>geesh..galileonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-74469453468108611562009-04-11T14:13:00.000-04:002009-04-11T14:13:00.000-04:00I see that this blog has turned from discussing po...I see that this blog has turned from discussing politics to religion. Are you claiming to be an expert theologian too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-2627785917277369872009-04-11T14:12:00.000-04:002009-04-11T14:12:00.000-04:00Another question is: are all the moral instruction...Another question is: are all the moral instructions in the holy books of equal weight? Is any sin just as bad as another? You'd think so, but it's not clear in those books. <BR/><BR/>If we judge by the punishment, then working on the Sabbath or adultery or murder, all carry the death penalty!<BR/><BR/>The problem you describe is an important one, that is, they tell us believe in the literal resurrection of Jesus but not on the burning bush, or whatever. How does one know? Although, religion is not about KNOWING... it's about indoctrination, accepting on faith... <BR/><BR/><BR/>We don't even have any proof for most events described in the Bible other than someone wrote them in the Bible... They wrote a marketing book and in the absence of any corroborating evidence, we have to take it on faith...<BR/><BR/>tskGeorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09253150846911854844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-820805962329131162009-04-11T14:06:00.000-04:002009-04-11T14:06:00.000-04:00The problem that religion hasn't solved or explain...The problem that religion hasn't solved or explained is that which passages in the holy book to take literally and which ones not.<BR/><BR/>OK, Jesus spokes in allegory, and he made that clear, but the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, are all sold to the faithful as the definitive word of God! <BR/><BR/>How do we know what is what? Or, what to believe literally and what we shouldn't?stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-32122505849804102642009-04-11T13:25:00.001-04:002009-04-11T13:25:00.001-04:00I don't have a problem with religious people, othe...I don't have a problem with religious people, other than to feel sad they're not using their thinking ability for something so important.... the meaning of life, human nature, the world, the universe!<BR/><BR/>But, I'm tired with those who make pompous claims and try to assert some kind of moral superiority.<BR/><BR/>The "holy book" is no holy. BUT WHO READS THE DAMN THING???!!! Certainly not those who profess they get their morality from that!<BR/><BR/>Of course, it's a supermarket of convenience. Pick and choose and ignore!<BR/><BR/>I'm sure that if the title was missing, and the language was modern, most people would object to what's in there!<BR/><BR/>Further, who would in their right mind see this as the work of a supreme being???!!!!!Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09253150846911854844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-63321800250608953232009-04-11T13:20:00.000-04:002009-04-11T13:20:00.000-04:00"marketplace of convenience" that's a good one! Se..."marketplace of convenience" that's a good one! <BR/><BR/>Seriously, your point of having beliefs without examining them is well taken. <BR/><BR/>Include some mystery, ceremonies, reference to the supernatural, and all is packaged in one-easy-to-swallow pill.<BR/><BR/>great post...erinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-46883240941707679842009-04-11T13:18:00.000-04:002009-04-11T13:18:00.000-04:00luv it too! (I'm a recovering xtian)luv it too! (I'm a recovering xtian)sa... anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-6525599636822867132009-04-11T13:17:00.000-04:002009-04-11T13:17:00.000-04:00love it!love it!drewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-88596422055333945882009-04-11T13:01:00.000-04:002009-04-11T13:01:00.000-04:00Oh, I get emails... The most hateful and vile com...Oh, I get emails... The most hateful and vile come from those whose value system professes to be the most morally superior...<BR/><BR/>ah well... enjoy!Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09253150846911854844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774506.post-61597515968715024702009-04-11T13:00:00.000-04:002009-04-11T13:00:00.000-04:00Wow! One of the most poignant posts I've seen in ...Wow! One of the most poignant posts I've seen in the blogosphere.. to the point that it becomes an irritant to those who never examined their beliefs...<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry for the flack you'll get because of this. Someone has to say these things though....a fannoreply@blogger.com